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Post by Aquarium1 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:03 pm

O and I have a 2.5 Bowfront I plan on having some shrimp and snails in:
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Post by Drake-tripod on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:58 pm

sweet Very Happy
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Post by Aquarium1 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:22 pm

Yea planning on some rcs's for it. Here is my hopeful (edited for the nth time) list:
3 Acei
3 Red Zebras
3 Labs
3 Auratus
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Post by Aura on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:53 am

As much as I love auratus, I'm going to advise you to give a little more thought to that choice. It was one of the first mbuna I kept and I found out quickly that you need to have only one or several (or be extremely lucky) to keep them successfully. They are very, very aggressive toward each other and from what I've read, most people see aggression from them towards other species as well. I have been really lucky that the aggression in mine has almost always been within the species, but they have certainly caused me plenty of stress through the years! Mad

It might be a good idea to remove the auratus from the list and increase the numbers of the other species you're keeping.
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Post by Rift_Lakes_Rule on Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:03 pm

Absolutely agree with Betty, if I were to ever try to keep auratus it would be in a 6 ft 100g tank (species only). They are awesome looking fish but they come with a real risk of you coming home to a bloodbath.

Pictures look great btw!!! It's gonna be cool watching this tank come together Wink

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Post by bulldogg7 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:34 pm

My female auratus wouldn't even let a male near HER tank. Even the zebras go crazy at small numbers, maybe skip the auratus or just keep one, and try for 5 zebras, they might like picking on each other enough to leave the labs alone.
Acei seem rather peaceful, they may even school a little if you get a bigger group.

but speakin of bloodbaths, sometimes it just happens Embarassed
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Post by Aquarium1 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:07 pm

Ok then what would you recommend to replace it?
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Post by Aquarium1 on Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:46 pm

It being the auratus lol.
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Post by Micheal on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:26 am

I would recommend only 3 species for a 55 if your going to do zebras and aceis because they get towards the bigger side for mbuna. The auratus can certainly be a menace in a 55. I had one male kill 8 fish in 2 hours while I was gone.
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Post by Aquarium1 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:55 am

Ok thanks so 4 labs, acei and zebras?[/b]
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Post by Rift_Lakes_Rule on Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:51 pm

Sounds good to me. I have to admit, I like Bull's idea about upping the acei count tho Wink Maybe 2m 6fm of the acei, 1m 3+fm of the labs and zebras.

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Post by Aquarium1 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:12 pm

I can't choose m or f tho.
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Post by Rift_Lakes_Rule on Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:36 pm

How big are they at the store?

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Post by Aquarium1 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:15 pm

I would say about 3 or 4 in.
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Post by Rift_Lakes_Rule on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:21 pm

At that size you should be able to pick out the males.

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Post by Aquarium1 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:20 pm

How can I sex male vs female of acei, labs and red zebras.
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Post by Micheal on Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:22 am

The only sure way is to vent them or when they are holding eggs in their mouth. The male labs USUALLY will have better black fins but not always. The male zebra and acei might have more egg spots on their anal fin. Also males are usually bigger than females. If you watch the tank you can also pick out the males sometimes by the fighting in the tank. If the lfs won't vent them for you maybe you can ask them if you can vent them before buying. If not ask them their return policy so you can vent them at home. You can try picking out the males and if you get it wrong once you vent them you can return them if they will let you.
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Post by Aquarium1 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:56 pm

I had a zebra die today, I think it was because of a weak blood line like the lab. Here's a video of my remaining cichlids eating:
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Post by Aquarium1 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:08 pm

O yeah, and I had a thermometer break on me today in the tank. None of the liquids were released just the steel beads. I did a pwc right after. I still have another one in there tho.I noticed it had water in it and I grabbed it to take it out and it just broke.
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Post by Aquarium1 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:17 pm

I'm not allowed to get another tank, so I can't have another tank as a qt. I'll have to turn my 5g into a qt. I guess it'll have to work Sad It'll just be for a week at least.
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Post by Aquarium1 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:52 am

Ok I think I found out what the problem is with my fish dying. I talked to a guy on the internet who has been having the same problems with his fish as I (gasping, laying on the ground, not eating the days prior. He got a tank buddies fungus clear (I'm pretty sure thts what it's called) and dose a fish who was having symptoms in his qt and within 48 hours it was better so he dosed his whole tank to hopefully get rid of it. I'm going to have to go to walmart soon lol.
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Post by Aura on Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:45 am

Have you checked your water for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate readings recently? If not, you really should do that first, before adding in any medications. Your ammonia or nitrites might have crept up there on you after adding in the new fish. How much of a water change did you do after the thermometer broke?

Do you see anything on your fish that might indicate a fungus problem? Any fuzzy spots on the body or open sores?

How many fish do you have in the tank now? The fish in your video look like they are doing well. Do they eat all of that food, or does some of it end up uneaten at the bottom of the tank?

What is your filter maintenance routine like?

Sorry for all of the questions; Razz , but I'm just trying to get an idea of what might have caused the death of your zebra. Weak blood lines doesn't seem likely to me and the symptoms you listed could be a few possibilities. The water readings will be a good place to start.
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Post by Aquarium1 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:20 pm

Thanks for your concern. I did a 25% pwc, and my parameters are normal as of this morning, Ammonia 0, pH 7.8, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 0-5. I have 3 fish in the tank, but because of my zebra dying, it mite have contaminated the water with watever it had. I already dosed before I could read this sorry. His fish had the exact same symptoms. They eat all of the food. I have only had the filter less than a month so I havent gotten around to maintenance cuz I heard once a month. I am going to sometime this week tho.
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Post by Aura on Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:46 pm

Well, your water is in good shape so adding that medication probably won't hurt anything. Did the package say anything about it harming your bio-media?

Keep an eye out for aggression with only the three fish in the tank.
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Post by Aquarium1 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:47 pm

The guy whos helping me with this says after using it his parameters are still good (ammonia, nitrite 0). I will keep an eye out on aggression.
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