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Post by theswede on Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:13 pm

The first one looks like a cross between fryeri and lithobates. scratch

http://www.malawi-firefish.de/Ahlipurplered.php
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Post by iceblue on Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:25 pm

redfish A beautiful hybrid to add to a growing list of man made fish stir and he might actually have something to sell if he can get it to breed true.
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Post by Aura on Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:59 pm

I really don't like the looks of any of those fryeri. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by cichlidman on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:02 pm

Very nice coloring on this fish..
I just hate to see them continue to ruin different species by hybirizing them.

I think God did a good job on his own.

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Post by Rockfish on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:51 pm

Interesting find, I must say they are nice looking.
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Post by Micheal on Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:37 pm

What a waste to ruin such a beautiful fish by making it a hybrid. I just don't see making a prettier fish than a fryeri already is.
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Post by iceblue on Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:04 pm

theswede wrote:The first one looks like a cross between fryeri and lithobates. scratch

That discription makes sense. The intense color though and the way the scales show it off is reminisent to me of a Astatotilapia caliptera. There is a riverine species that also lives in Lake Malawi that has the same type of coloring in its back.
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Post by buntbarsch on Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:21 pm

Damn German square heads, never happy with anything and need to tinker around to "better". Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
There is only one TRUE reason why some people play around with nature and that is greed. The almighty buck will slowly ruin the beauty we have. I hate this......

Sorry, but that's one of the reasons why I live in Canada now.

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Post by jimmymac on Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:30 pm

purplered Firefish-iceburg Hap?

I like it!
For a man made fish.
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Post by Rift_Lakes_Rule on Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:34 pm

They look pretty tasty to me... wonder how many it'd take to make a meal Twisted Evil


C'mere lil hybrid fishy, I got sumthin for you flower

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Post by Super Turtleman on Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:51 pm

I'm not sure if I like it or not, but as long as he advertises it for what it is if he sells them, then I got no problem with it. We all have the right to make money by any legal way we see fit...even if it means experimenting with hybrids. Look where dogs have gone...
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Post by poolmako on Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:09 am

just a thought are you sure its a hybred fish? i have had some fryeri with tons of red on the anal and tail fins, maybe a line bred fish, myself i think its a cool looking fish and would like to have one in my tank.
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Post by theswede on Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:06 am

poolmako wrote:just a thought are you sure its a hybred fish? i have had some fryeri with tons of red on the anal and tail fins, maybe a line bred fish, myself i think its a cool looking fish and would like to have one in my tank.

Yes, it could be but this guy seems to be cross bredder. His talking about crossing N. fuscotaeniatus - C. borleyi kadango and P. taeniolatus - C. moorii. But i might have missunderstood the text because my german is´nt as good as it should be.
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Post by poolmako on Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:18 am

i know what you mean my german sucks and my english is bad too.
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Post by football mom on Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:23 am

You can't deny it is a beautiful fish, and I agree that if you develop a hybrid fish and "market and sell it" as such, you should have the right.
But what happens down the road when they are sold and the "hybrid" label gets lost and these fish get mixed into the true fryeri gene pool?
It's just the unintended consequences of so many things that we do that makes me wonder if some things we just shouldn't do.....

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Post by poolmako on Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:56 pm

you may have a point about a problem with hybreds in the hobby but i dont see where these fish can do anything to the gene pool of the fish in the lakes and if we want to start taking about problems in the hobby i would say cross breeding fish would be closer to the bottom of the list, if you sell fish that are hybreds has hybreds then i dont have much of a problem with them.
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Post by preacherboy on Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:02 pm

In my philosophy class at college, there is a saying that I like:

"Just because one can do something, doesn't mean one ought to do something!"

This hobby already has enough trouble with ethics and integrity.

Just my opinion and if the man wants to sell them, I reserve the right to not buy them!
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Post by bulldogg7 on Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:07 pm

Anybody want to buy a hybrid sheep?
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Post by Super Turtleman on Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:49 pm

That's very true J, but I think those "consequences down the line" are applicable in many situations. If there's a dishonest person out there, it's going to be hard to stop them from doing what they're going to do.
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Post by football mom on Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:55 pm

The gene pool I was referring to was the one in the hobby, not the ones in the lakes, but.... that being said, how do we know that the gene pool in the lake will always be there?
We all know how difficult it is to get nice labs, for example, and a lot of them sold have a red zebra somewhere back in the family tree.
I have purchased fish before (from a lfs, not a smartpet type store) that did not turn out to be exacly what it was sold as, so... you can get my point.
But, if someone wanted to give me one of those purple-red fish for my "show" tank, I wouldn't turn it down.

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Post by cichlidman on Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:08 pm

What's happening is they are ruining the gene pool.
These are some of God's most beautiful creations.

We are losing them in the wild due to stupidity.
I guess it is okay to do it in captivity to.

It amazes me that Gods smartest creation takes the time to destroy
all his other work. Making them the most selfish and by far the most greedy.

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Post by poolmako on Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:54 pm

i think that fish that are has common has fryeri and yellow labs you will always be able to find a good strain, the biggest problem with this is that people just go to a store and see a fish they like and have no idea what it maybe or what it will take to keep it healthy, we have all done this at one time or another but with luck we learn to know the fish we buy and how to keep them and with what other fish to house them, now for the god statement how do we know that god didnt want this guy to breed this fish?
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Post by iceblue on Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:58 pm

I translated his pages and found it interesting that he has no problem at all with cross-breading different species. One of his justifications was this happens in nature and that man-made species are just as viable as natures occurrence within the aquarium trade.

Another justification he made gave me a little laugh.
Quote: "That a general verdict of "racial purity" especially in our Country has a stale aftertaste."
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Post by Micheal on Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:07 pm

My thing with hybrids is you always hear as long as they are sold as hybrids by whoever makes them. Well should they only be allowed to sell to people who will abide by this. Who is to say the 3rd person down the line decides to breed the hybrid back with a pure speciman and then sells the fry as pure. I say buy something that eats fry and let nature take its course with the fry being eaten.
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Post by iceblue on Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:42 pm

I thought there was an Mbuna somewhere in the line.

The original cross breed he has used for all his subsequent hybrids for years was between a Aulonocara redflush and a Pseudotropheus zebra-estherae.
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